AGILEVC My idle thoughts on tech startups

June 24, 2014
Picture I took in 2002 of WC stadium Daegu, South Korea

Picture I took in 2002 of WC stadium Daegu, South Korea

Those of you who know me are probably aware that I’m a rabid soccer (football) fan.  I’ve been a devoted fan of Arsenal for nearly two decades, former MLS season ticket holder (both San Jose Earthquakes when I lived in the SF Bay Area and New England Revolution here in Boston), attended World Cup 2002 in South Korea, and was fortunate to see both gold medal soccer matches in Bejing 2008 Olympics (US women’s victory, Argentina men’s victory).  Every four years the whole world gets to celebrate this great game and our shared passion for it with the World Cup.

Success in the World Cup, just like success as an entrepreneur, depends on a mix of skill, hard work, and luck.  Virtually every sovereign nation on the planet fields a squad in an attempt to qualify for one of the 32 spots at the World Cup itself and of course only 16 progress to the knock-out phase and only 1 will ultimately lift the cup in victory.

The winner of the World Cup will play only 7 matches in the span of a couple weeks which doesn’t seem like a lot.  Yet the tournament winnows the field in a fairly deterministic and consistent fashion.  Luck (good or bad) impacts nearly every team at some point in the tournament, and some squads make it farther than their skill might predict through sheer effort and will.  But no country has ever won the World Cup on the basis of luck or hard work.  Ask England how they feel about their bad luck in 1986 when Diego Maradona’s “Hand of God” goal knocked them out of the tournament.  Yet anyone who’s seen a meaningful chunk of the 1986 World Cup will tell you incontrovertibly that Maradona was the standout player of the tournament and Argentina’s overall victory was well deserved.  You’d be hard pressed to say any of the winners in the tournament’s 80+ year history hadn’t earned their triumph.

The ecosystem of tech startups is a similarly efficient winnowing machine.  As a tech entrepreneur you know that the odds are long from the outset, that most startups are ultimately unsuccessful.  Luck plays a role and with the benefit of hindsight, there are obviously startup outcomes that benefit from bull/bubble markets or seemingly irrational behavior.  And hard work and perseverance does sometimes help some companies seemingly overachieve what otherwise might have happened.  At times it may feel as though just a little more hard work can manufacturer success or the success of other startups feel like flukes.

But at the end of the day, the marketplace and the World Cup are both ruthlessly efficient.  Just as a select few nations have truly earned the right to call themselves World Cup Champions, only a select few transformative and enduring companies will emerge from the startup ecosystem.  The Microsoft’s, Google’s, Facebook’s, and other startup champions have earned their success just as Brazil, Italy, Germany, and other World Cup Champions have.

Enjoy the drama, splendor, and excitement of World Cup 2014!

May 22, 2014

RMB2My first two posts on this mammoth S-1 covered a high-level sizing of Alibaba and a deeper dive into some of Alibaba Group’s governance which in some ways mirrors the Politburo structure.  Today I’m going to analyze monetization across Alibaba’s various businesses.  How exactly is each marketplace and complementary service monetized?  How does that stack up against analogous US internet companies?  And most importantly how attractive is the whole based on the sum of the underlying parts?

Unfortunately Alibaba doesn’t actually break out revenue by marketplace or business unit.  What we can glean from the S-1 is a qualitative understanding of the monetization of each marketplace, as well as a clearer understanding of revenue from the wholesale part of Alibaba ( vs the retail parts (Taobao, Tmall, Juhuasuan) and how much comes from China vs non-China (<10% of revenue is non-China).

Here’s what we know about the key retail marketplaces:

Taobao (marketplace for individuals & small sellers – akin to eBay) –> Sellers on all the Alibaba marketplaces can purchase advertising on Taobao in a variety of forms including CPC keywords, CPM display, and as a commission on closed sale (Taobaoke – like an “internal” affiliate fee).  There are no commissions on closed sales (other than Taobaoke) or placement fees on Taobao.  Some Taobao sellers also pay a monthly subscription for software (Wangpu) which helps them create better looking and easier to manage storefronts.

Tmall (storefronts for larger, branded merchants like Nike, Gap, etc.) –> While Tmall is frequently compared to, it’s business model is totally different.  In fact, which priced it’s IPO yesterday, is a direct seller (e.g. stocks inventory) and is really more analogous to Amazon.  Alibaba’s Tmall is a true marketplace like eBay, though many of the types of products sold on Tmall would be equivalent to what US consumers buy retailers own websites or Amazon.  The bigger merchants on Tmall sell their branded wares and pay a commission to Tmall of 0.5 – 5.0% based on product category for all sales settled through Alipay (~80% of Alibaba’s GMV is settled through Alipay).  Also other Tmall merchants can advertise on Tmall in both CPC keyword and CPM display formats, but small sellers from Taobao or Juhuasuan are not permitted.

Juhuasuan (group buying / flash sales – akin to Zulily, Gilt, etc) –> Juhuasuan sellers pay 0.5 – 5.0% (based on product cateogry) of all sales settled through Alipay similar to Tmall, though additionally Juhuasuan generates revenue from placement fees paid by sellers to secure a particular slot based on category, time, etc.



Key Takeaways:

1) Retail E-Commerce Brings Home the Bacon – While Alibaba’s roots were as a wholesale (B2B) marketplace, retail commerce drives the company both today and in the future.  The wholesale marketplaces now account for <20% of the group’s total revenue and have essentially stopped growing, whereas the retail e-commerce revenue is still growing >65% YoY.  In a couple years the wholesale part will probably be <5-10% of the total.

2) Tmall Monetizes Better Than Taobao – We don’t know the precise breakdown of revenue between the two, but we do know that for every $1 of GMV Alibaba generates more revenue from Tmall than Taobao.  The makeup of the revenue is different too (see #4 below).

3) Alibaba Monetizes at a Far Lower Rate than eBay – eBay generated about $8.3B in revenue from its marketplaces last year (excludes revenue from PayPal and eBay Enterprise) on $76.4B in GMV.  So for every $1 of GMV that flowed thru its marketplaces, eBay captured about 10.8 cents.  Alibaba on the other hand generated $6.5B in revenue in 2013 from its retail marketplaces on $248B in GMV.  So Alibaba captured only 2.6 cents out of every $1 in GMV that was sold on its marketplaces.  But Alibaba is clearly making it up on volume as they say.

4) It’s Unclear if Alibaba Looks Like an Media Company or a Marketplace – To be clear, Alibaba’s sites are obviously marketplaces.  They drive huge volumes of transactions and Alibaba doesn’t hold inventory like an Amazon.  But it’s not clear if the monetization of the group as a whole looks more like Google or more like eBay.  Taobao is essentially monetized through advertising, albeit ad buying done by sellers across the Alibaba marketplaces.  Taobao drives significant traffic across all Alibaba’s marketplaces and there seems to be a real ecosystem/network effect at work here.  This is pretty different from eBay, which generates some revenue from ads & marketing services, but the vast majority (80%) from transaction fees.  Tmall generates a lot from transaction fees and probably some from ads though again we don’t know the precise split.  If and when we know more about the split between Taobao and Tmall revenue, we’ll have a greater understanding of what the best financial analog is for Alibaba.

5) Alibaba Is Still Growing Like a Weed – Astonishing as it is for a company with a quarter trillion in GMV and approaching $10B in revenue, Alibaba is still growing as a whole nearly 60% each year.  Wholesale is essentially stagnant but China retail which again is the main driver is growing faster than the whole (65% YoY).  While China now has >600 million internet users, that still means there’s another half billion or so that are not yet on the internet.  So there’s reasonable prospects Alibaba’s retail commerce engine will continue to grow at a fairly rapid clip for awhile.



Note (1): I’ve attempted to split out non-commerce revenue for the various companies to make an apples-to-apples comparison, or as close as we can get based on publicly reported numbers.  So for Alibaba I stripped out revenue from cloud computing and other activities, for eBay this excludes PayPal and eBay Enterprise (the division composed of the old GSI, Magento, etc), and for Amazon I stripped out Amazon describes as “non-retail” revenue (AWS, etc).

May 15, 2014

Growth Guides Icon We’re launching a series of platform initiatives here at NextView in 2014.  Today we’re pleased to announce the first in a series of Growth Guides.

What’s a Growth Guide?  Well our focus here at NextView is helping exceptional seed stage companies get things off to the best possible start. Simply put these Growth Guides are a step-by-step playbook which cover a specific need that seed stage companies may face in their first 12-24 months.  They include practical time-saving advice as well as Q&A with founders on how they’ve tackled these issues, making them a useful read for both execs and individual contributors.

Our first Growth Guide covers Content Marketing for Startups.  While all of us here at NextView contribute to these efforts, the driving force behind this guide is Jay Acunzo, NextView’s Director of Platform, and an experienced marketer from his time at Hubspot, Google, and Daily Break.  This growth guide draws upon not only our collective experience but also what we’ve learned from running workshops and talking with a range of startups across stage and industry.  Our goal is for these Growth Guides to be useful not only to the startups we invest in here at NextView, but for the broader startup community.

We’re excited to be able to bring these Growth Guides to the seed stage ecosystem.  So stay tuned because in coming months we’ll be developing Growth Guides that cover a range of issues from product to sales to engineering.

May 9, 2014

politburoOne of the first things that caught my eye when I started reading the Alibaba Group S-1 was a section on page 7 of the filing regarding something called the “Alibaba Partnership”.  It quickly struck me that the Alibaba Group’s corporate governance in some ways mirrors China’s Politburo.

Some context… like many startups, the founders of Alibaba still own substantial stakes in the company and believe it’s in the company’s best interests for them to retain an outsized influence in the company’s governance longer term.  Such an approach is common in Silicon Valley… Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, and others have dual-class equity structures which give the holders of one class of shares (typically founders) disproportionate voting rights relative to their fully-diluted ownership stake in the company.

Dual-class ownership structures have been around long before Silicon Valley was transformed from orchards.  Companies like Ford and the New York Times Co. have long had dual-class ownership which has enabled their founding families to maintain significant control.  So in that respect the Alibaba Partnership’s special governance rights aren’t that unusual.  FWIW, the members of the Alibaba Partnership currently own about 14% of the total shares of the Alibaba Group prior to the IPO.  The Alibaba Partnership also owns a chunk of Alipay which technically Alibaba doesn’t own (more on that in the future).

What’s interesting about Alibaba is that rather than having a dual-class share structure, an entity referred to as the “Alibaba Partnership” (technically called Lakeside Partners) has the right to appoint a majority of the board directors of Alibaba Group.  This right is a perpetual right in the company’s articles of incorporation, and can only be changed by a vote of 95% or more of Alibaba Group’s shareholders (an implausibly high approval level for any shareholder resolution).

Theoretically Alibaba’s shareholders must still approve the directors nominated by the Alibaba Partnership, but in the event a nominee is not approved it doesn’t really matter… the Alibaba Partnership has the sole discretion to appoint an “interim” director in their place until the next annual shareholder meeting.  Interestingly this structure was enshrined in conjunction with Alibaba’s two major shareholders, SOFTBANK and Yahoo.  Yahoo and Softbank have pledged to vote their shares in favor of the directors nominated by the Alibaba Partnership.  In return SOFTBANK gets a board seat on the Alibaba Group and founders Jack Ma and Joe Tsai agreed to vote their shares in favor of SOFTBANK’s director nominee.

Alibaba Partnership’s Structure

The Alibaba Partnership is composed of 28 members all of whom are members of Alibaba’s management or affiliated companies.  Each member has one vote regardless of their shareholdings in Alibaba and new members of the Alibaba Partnership can be added annually, first by nomination of the “partnership committee” followed by 75% approval of the existing partners.  Partners remain as long as they are still part of Alibaba’s management, maintain certain thresholds of their share ownership, or unless they are removed by a simple majority vote of other partners.

The Partnership’s stated goal is to preserve the culture (“our mission, vision, and values”) that was established by this group over the years in running Alibaba in a spirit of partnership.  Whether intentional or not, to me this mirrors the Politburo of China’s Communist Party.  The Politburo is composed of 25 members, and it’s power comes from the fact that these members all hold influential positions within China’s government just as the Alibaba Partnership members hold executive roles in the Alibaba Group.  Like the Politburo’s “standing committee” of 7 which holds even more influence, the Alibaba Partnership has a “partnership committee” of 5 members which serve for longer terms and increased influence in running the partnership.

I’m not suggesting that Alibaba Group or the Alibaba Partnership are directly connected to or influenced by the Chinese Communist Party.  I don’t think there’s anything sinister in the structure.  But I find it fascinating that a principal common to dominant tech companies (enshrining founder control) is in Alibaba’s case is analogous to the Politburo structure.  Just as China has a robust form of “capitalism with Chinese characteristics” I suppose the Alibaba Partnership represents dual-class ownership with Chinese characteristics.

May 7, 2014

As I’m sure you’ve heard, Alibaba officially filed to go public yesterday.  I believe this may be the most anticipated tech IPO of all time… some may argue Facebook was a bigger deal, but Alibaba’s offering has been “in process” for a long time and may very well be the largest IPO ever both in terms of size of offering and initial market cap of the company.

My S-1 deconstructed posts over the years (Facebook, Groupon, Kayak, et al) have usually been a single long read.  Alibaba simply too big of a company and there’s way to much in this S-1 to do it in a single shot.  But there’s a ton of interesting bits on everything from growth rates to corporate governance, so I will still do a deep analysis though will serialize this into a couple posts.    I’ll first start with a brief background on the genesis of Alibaba and a top level sizing of the company and its underlying businesses.


Alibaba’s Genesis  Alibaba was founded in 1999 by Jack Ma and 17 other colleagues, and like most startups they began as a small group working out of Ma’s apartment in Hangzhou.  The initial business,, was a B2B marketplace to enable global buyers of manufactured goods to connect with Chinese wholesalers and suppliers of such goods.  At the time B2B marketplaces were huge in the US… during the late ’90s bubble companies like VerticalNet and others were valued in the tens of billions.

By the late ’90s the economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping had helped propel China into an upward growth trajectory but this was still two years before the term “BRIC” was created.  For perspective, China’s entire economy has grown more than 600% since Alibaba was founded.  Even more staggering… when Alibaba started there were 9 million Chinese people on the internet.  By the end of 2013 there were 618 million, or growth of nearly 7,000%.  Clearly betting that the internet in China would be “big” someday has paid off for Alibaba.

Just How Big Is Alibaba?  You may know that Alibaba is a huge company and may also know that it has several underlying businesses.  Here’s a quick breakdown for you.

  • Alibaba/ – this is the B2B marketplace for connecting wholesale buyers worldwide with Chinese manufacturers and distributors for a range of goods.  While B2B was the origin of the company, the Alibaba/1688 marketplace has evolved more towards a complementary business to the rest of Alibaba in that much of the use of the B2B marketplace is by sellers on Alibaba’s retail marketplaces (Taobao, Tmall, Juhuasuan) to source their goods.  Today the B2B (aka wholesale) portion of the business only accounts for about 11% of Alibaba Group’s overall revenue.
  • Taobao – this is a “P2P” or “C2C” marketplace for relatively small sellers to connect with retail buyers for goods.  It’s not a perfect analogy but broadly speaking it’s similar to eBay, though the vast majority of Taobao transactions are fixed price rather than auction format.
  • Tmall – this is the B2C marketplace, where large companies can sell directly to retail buyers.  Akin to, Tmall is primarily used by large brands like Nike, Gap, and others to sell online in China.
  • Juhuasuan – this is a group buying or flash sale marketplace.  People compare it to Groupon frequently which helped pioneer “flash sales” in the US, though Groupon historically has sold a lot of service based offers (restaurants, spas, etc) whereas Juhuasuan is primarily products like a Zulily, Gilt, etc.
  • Alipay – this is the payments arm of Alibaba, usually compared to PayPal in the US.  A key distinction is that the primary benefit of PayPal originally was to enable small merchants to accept electronic payments seamlessly, at a time when most had to rely on checks and money orders in the mail.  Alipay’s primary benefit is as an escrow service ensuring the seller gets paid and the buyer gets their purchase, which gives comfort to both parties in a Chinese society where the rule of law and trust between individuals can be a greater concern than in the US.
  • China Smart Logistics – this is a JV that Alibaba Group owns 48% of, created in partnership with the 5 largest delivery companies in China (e.g. the UPS, FedEx, DHL equivalents).  This lets sellers on Alibaba’s marketplaces connect effectively with packing and delivery providers, and for consumers to seamlessly track and manage delivery of their purchases.

Alibaba Group doesn’t break out revenue by each marketplace, though they do separate the revenue from China vs rest of world and between wholesale and retail commerce.  They also break out the revenue of ancillary businesses like the web services unit.

So just how big is Alibaba Group?  Well I’ve included below one of many infographics in the S-1 that gives you some of the hard stats.  No matter how you slice it, the numbers are fairly staggering.

  • A Quarter Trillion in GMV – total gross merchandise volume (GMV) for Alibaba Group was $248B USD in 2013.  Let me repeat that… a quarter trillion USD.  eBay’s GMV for 2013 was $76 billion and Amazon’s was about $100B.  So that makes Alibaba Group about 40% larger than Amazon + eBay combined in terms of total goods sold.
  • 11 Billion Orders – Alibaba processed 11.3 billion orders in 2013 across 231 million active buyers, so roughly 50 orders per active user.
  • Half A Trillion in Payments – total payment volume (TPV) through Alipay was $518B USD in 2013.  For reference, PayPal was $180B USD in TPV in 2013, which makes Alipay nearly 3x bigger than PayPal.

With all those mind blowing stats though, Alibaba did roughly $8.5B USD in revenue for 2013.  In that regard it’s only about 1/2 the size of eBay/PayPal and means that the revenue per transaction is far lower.  In my next post I’ll do a deeper dive into exactly how each of Alibaba’s businesses monetizes and try to compare those to the analogous US-based companies.


Previous Posts Next posts

About Me

  • avatar
  • I'm a former Silicon Valley entrepreneur turned East Coast VC. I co-founded NextView Ventures, a seed-stage VC firm based in Boston, in 2010. Read More »



Recent Posts

Rob Cho Go

NextView Twitter Stream

  • Rob Go
     - 2 hours ago
    RT @dharmesh: This year marks my 20th year as a U.S. citizen. It's been great and I'm thankful. I think I've done right by you too, Americ…
  • Lee Hower
     - 3 days ago
    @epaley in June 223K new jobs, but 432K people dropped out of labor force… participation fell to lowest in nearly 40 yrs
  • Lee Hower
     - 3 days ago
    @epaley doesn't make sense when lower unemp % being driven mostly by ppl dropping out of labor force, not getting new jobs
  • Lee Hower
     - 3 days ago
    @epaley but some have suggested US is moving to a lower equilibrium for full employment, e.g. "normal" unemp % is now lower than historical
  • Lee Hower
     - 3 days ago
    @epaley yes net job creation is obviously good… monthly avg in 2015 slower than 2014, but still a bit over 200k/mo thus far thru 1H